Sep 06
Beth Holloway Twitty Flies Home
Posted by Slobokan @ 02:26 · 96 words · print
The mother of Natalee Holloway is leaving Aruba, saying she's "exhausted" all her avenues.
Beth Holloway Twitty made the announcement a day after all three suspects in her daughter's disappearance were released on Saturday.
But Holloway Twitty says she will visit Aruba frequently, and will "never allow" her daughter's voice to be silenced. She's been an almost permanent fixture on the island, trying to keep attention on the case.
Hopefully, soon, the truth will come out. Beth Holloway Twitty deserves it. The entire Holloway and Twitty families deserve it. But most of all, Natalee deserves it.
Posted In: Natalee Holloway
Posted by Steve ONeill
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
It seems that someone put a D It seems that someone put a Date Rape drug into her Drink ! She obviously passed out on the Beach, after the 3 boys had their way with her ! Was she above the High Tide line on that Beach ? The High Tide could have washed her into the Ocean ! It's too bad that many of the other girls, that these 3 boys dated, have not come forward and told their Beach stories with these 3 guys ! Why haven't the FBI or the Island Police interviewed these other girls ? These 3 boys had a terrible reputation with many other Island girls, and were banned from many of the local Islands, because of their Agressive Dating activities ! Why not interview some of these other victums ? I'm sure that the 3 boys, left many other girls, passed out on the Beach !
Posted by phil
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Look, we all feel for Beth H Look, we all feel for Beth Holloway, but what was she thinking allowing her daughter to go to Aruba? Where were the chaperones? What about her friends not stopping her from getting in a car with three men? Honestly – what do you think was going to happen??? No the boys behavior is NOT excusable but we as parents have to step up too. Read more at http://www.what-a-world.com. thanks. Phil
Posted by Marianna
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I am wondering with anticipat I am wondering with anticipation how this new detainee is going to show any links to Natalee Holloway case, I dont agree that she deserved to die, it certainly doesnt appear to look like she has actually ever harmed anyone. Although those few racist comments she made by asking Joran if the Kalpoe brothers were his slaves, as apparantly that is what she calls them where she comes from. That may bring into question how on earth she got to be a First A student, it certainly couldnt have been helped by a good history grade. Comments and racisim can be be very hurtful and I can understand why that would make someone angry, I get angry when people make jokes about the Irish. What I really dont get here is why her friends ever allowed her to go off with three guys in a car who she only just met, especially had she been drinking. Do they not have crimes of Rape in Mountain Brook if not sure TV networks which report these things, or does it not get reported the way Slavery been abolished many moons ago was? Obviously not! I too was once 18yrs old and like Natalee I had a large group of friends, but there aint no way in hell they would have allowed me to get into a car with any stranger alone. We were all boy crazy but we stuck together. I would love for Greta Van Sustern to ask Beth that question to Beth, meanwhile no matter what her daughter has ever done in this life if she has been murdered it is still a loss of life she needs to be found. Beth cannot move on, anyone out there who has lost a child can vouch that moving on and gaining closure is something that for some is impossible. These are not bad people, this is a woman desperate and if were either one of us I am sure we would be out there doing the same thing.
Thanks
Marianna
Posted by John
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I am sick to death of the Ter I am sick to death of the Terry story. I would like to hear some reporter ask Mrs. Twitty how she feels about having raised a daughter who thought that it was ok for 18 year old girls to go to nightclubs at 2 am 1,000 miles from home – something that decent people don't do, and a daughter so stupid that she thought it was all right to leave with not one but three strange men.
The girl is either a sex slave in Venezuela by now or she is dead. If she is dead, at least she got herself killed before she had a chance to breed, therefore leaving the human gene pool a tad better off than it might have been.
Shame on the Holloway family for profiting from this thing with their book deals etc.
Enough already.
Posted by Peter Wail
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
It's time for Twitty to shut It's time for Twitty to shut up. While it's unfortunate that Natalee disappeare, she was no sweet innocent angel. The real downer is that the boys in Tuscaloosa will not be able to enjoy her "pleasures".
Posted by armslover
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Does anyone know how old Beth Does anyone know how old Beth Twitty is? Just curious.
Posted by ekim
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I'm no Psychc but I had a dre I'm no Psychc but I had a dream 2 weeks after this case, that she's a slave for Egyptians or someone of middle eastern descent (focusing on foriegn wealthy family).
Posted by Robbie
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
You typical Americans always You typical Americans always have your conclusions right from the start:roll:. Please, let us wait for the actual results of the investigation and do not start concluding yet. I do not say Joran is innocent, he is not in the best position, but I also do not say he is guilty! Start watching less television, especially American Television, and start thinking… I know it is hard for many of you, but justice is served by that and not by being emotional. I guess it takes to be a Dutch person to think this way, but we try to think before acting (in comparison to many of the Americans). So, again, I do not say Joran goes free, but let us wait for the investigation. New facts appeared to be available today. So, I am very curious!
Posted by earl
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
What would Tony Saprano do wi What would Tony Saprano do with the three young men to get the info.The parents must pay the price and get outside help to get the answers they need.
Posted by Darlene
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
It is beyond my comprehension It is beyond my comprehension, why Americans would not boycott Aruba. It seems to me that it has been cover up after cover up and I think this is bigger than just Natale, I think it is international crime connected.
Come on, there are other warm climate places to visit.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry good morning terry. Gl Terry good morning terry. Glad to hear from you . This new deputy chief of police has done more for the case than did the other one that was Joran god father .I hope that the tapes come back and show that they are real and start requestioning the susupects soon .There some more sites you might want to look at . Go to scarbourgh country,Rita cosby abrahms ,they all belong to msnbc. Just look under their transcripts section for tuesday the 24th There was alot of information there this morning on my computer.I have not heard from bryan lately so I do not know how he is doing . Glad to see you & leigh have buried the hatchet and not in each other skull. Well I got to go now have a good day and no more computer problems . See ya
Posted by Terry Moore
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hi Don,\r\nI have not been onli Hi Don,
I have not been online lately, computer stress headache no:10. My p/c has been crashing alot lately. Any way, today I finally got to repair it with the help of the technician. I did get to read your note. Yes, Leigh and I had a few go
rounds, but I never meant to offend anyone.Hopefully we buried the hatchet. I have heard some news regarding Beth Holloway, seems the new Aruban police chief seems to doing better than the former police chief. Did you hear that Paulus VanderSloot is planning to sue the Aruban Police for arresting him? Who does he think he is? No wonder Joran is the way he is, his Dad was a shining example for him,lol. I do hope for a resolution finally for the sake of the Holloway/Twitty families. Also justice for Natallee. Take care,Don:lol:
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry ~ \r\nThanks for your re Terry ~
Thanks for your response. We actually have something in common. I am also the mother of 3, all little boys. I guess I am just as guilty as everyone else getting so caught up in the case. My behavior was uncalled for though. I followed the case like crazy for the first few months. I just cannot believe they have not found any trace of her at all. I am also surprised that nothing bad has happened to Joran or the K-brothers with them out and walking around in public, if you know what I mean…I was on vacation in July, and heard on the radio and saw in one magazine something about a meat market (maybe?) that they used to throw all the wasted meat products out into the ocean and sharks would eat it. They were talking like Joran had confessed to throwing her out there after she died accidentally from hitting her head on a rock. It wasn't like speculation, it was as if it were fact. I wasn't where I could get all the information from that at the time, and really thought the case was over. The thing is, I never heard anything like that at all when I got back home after vacation. Have you or anyone heard anything about that??? I guess, if sharks did get to her, nothing would be left to find. I just don't want to believe that these 3 young boys actually committed the perfect crime. I don't know how Beth has held up so long, either.
Posted by Slobokan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Thank you, Don, I am glad you Thank you, Don, I am glad you like it! :smile:
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Slobokan I like the new set u Slobokan I like the new set up . I thought my eyes were going bad when I first clicked on
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry Good morning terry .Sou Terry Good morning terry .Sounds like you and leigh are getting along like me and Bryan started off. I think we got things worked out . Have not heard from him in several days . Just bury the hatchet and get started anew. I have not heard much about the case this week. I hope to hear from you soon
Posted by terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hello Leigh,\r\n\r\nI am not deli Hello Leigh,
I am not delighted to hear that you did in fact lose some sleep. I just want to say that my intention was not to upset you or anyone by my comments. I just want to find out what was happening in this case. I have quite honestly have been very upset over all of all of this. I just had much sadness for all of the families involved. Also for Natalee, (mostly) I do not know if I could be as strong as Beth is. That is why I wanted Beth to know how I felt about it. I am a mom to 3 children (all adults now) I have also been blessed with six grandchildren, whom I love very much. In any event, Leigh, I have nothing against you. So let's leave it at that. Take Care. Terry
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry ~ To your delight, I t Terry ~ To your delight, I think I actually did lose a little sleep over you last night… just trying to visualize you, your age range and what you do for a living and the fact that you ARE SO passionate enough about the case to actually write editorials to your paper. At first you were just words on the screen which I did not agree with, but then I thought there has to be an actual human behind his opinions. I probably do owe you an apology.
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Well, Terry, it is your OPINI Well, Terry, it is your OPINION that my OPINION is misguided. MY OPINION is that YOUR OPINION is misguided. Now with that established, regarding the CASE….. I was just wondering your source of information regarding the drugs. Maybe I missed that show somewhere. I hope they do find drugs. Terry, you said "innocent until proven guilty, but not in this case." That just sounds like playing God, Judge and Jury. I personally believe they are guilty, but they can't be convicted on any of our opinions. Do you have children? Do you know anyone who has been murdered and then turned into someone who asked for what they had they coming and trashed because they are not around to defend themself? I do. Maybe that is where some of my hostility is coming from. I asked you how you came to know Natallee's extent of alertness, and you stated "It's obvious." That would not hold up in a court of law. Most of what you discussed is hearsay or even taken from quotes from Joran, you said. The fact that you believe anything he says surprises me, after reading your earlier opinions about him. You also are a believer of not saying anything at all if you don't have anything nice to say, yet you say Joran is a mentally ill sick pervert. That's so nice. You also mentioned earlier regarding the difficulty of the case, something to the effect of: One remark meant one way, is taken in a negative way. I think there has been a lot of that going on here also. I think some of my information may have been read incorrectly and perhaps I have read something incorrectly myself. You just change your tone on a daily basis and contradict what you have previously said. Slobakan seems a little uptight himself (Hi), I know the room monitor is ready to cut my cord at any minute. (Slobokan, I understood your rules the FIRST time you read me my rights). But, no one has brought up any FACTUAL sources for the drug theory…… when you (they) do, I will eat my words here.
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Leigh,\r\nAs I mentioned to you Leigh,
As I mentioned to you several times, I have my own opinion and you have yours, misquided as it is. I have nothing else I wish to say to you, except, if you cannot say anything good about any one say nothing at all. :lol:
Posted by Slobokan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Leigh, \r\n\r\nWe are adults here Leigh,
We are adults here, but you are not acting like one.
While you do have a right to your opinion, as we all do, you do not have the right to make snide comments and insult other people commenting in this thread, on this site.
All points of view regarding the Natalee Holloway case are welcome here. Rude behavior is not.
As I stated previously, this is NOT an open forum. If you were confused by that, let me point out that this is my personal blog and you are welcome to comment, if you keep it civil. If you cannot do this, then you will not be permitted to post here. It's that simple.
Regarding your second comment, I was not pointing any fingers. I was simply holding up a mirror so you might see, and obviously you did.
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
(Also, I guess we're all even (Also, I guess we're all even on the grammer, Slobokan, you left out several words in your comment also) while we're all pointing fingers. (Myself included). See, we've ALL learned something here. :)
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I respect that. \r\nThis is NO I respect that.
This is NOT an open forum? Or this IS an open forum…. (Not being smart, just didn't understand your comment above). I thought this WAS a place to express opinions. My point regarding the drink container issue that apparently set Terry off was simply what is called "burden of proof." Terry asks how I know there WASN'T one there. The job is not to prove something WASN'T there. If that is the point, everyone would have to prove a giant bunny rabbit WAS NOT there, and a clown WAS NOT there, and a dinasour didn't kill her and so on. That's just rediculous. The case would never be solved. Regarding opinions and comments, I have the right just as everyone else to MY opinion. I assume we're all adults here, but if you want to ask me to leave because someone might get their feelings hurt, or perhaps I struck a nerve somewhere, then that seems to disagree with what this website represents itself as, a forum for discussion. I may be a little harsh in some aspects, but Terry earlier commented that people are innocent until proven guilty, except in this case. That is judemental right there. It just sounds like a very narrow-minded mentallity, because one little bitty person on this website feels that way…? I would certainly hate to be considered a suspect for anything and let Terry have anything at all to do with my case, especially now that I have gotten on his/her bad side from disagreeing with something.
Posted by Slobokan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Leigh, \r\n\r\nI think it would b Leigh,
I think it would be best if you posted your opinions of the case, and kept your snide remarks to yourself.
Terry has a right to his opinion as much as you do, grammatically (notice the correct spelling) correct or not.
Maybe you should try some online courses is common courtesy, but maybe that's asking too much.
This is not an open forum, this is not YOUR playground. Play nice, else you will be asked to leave.
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry, \r\n\r\nI think you meant Terry,
I think you meant "psychics" and not "physics". BIG difference!! LHOL (laughing HYSTERICALLY OUTLOUD). You also made several gramatical errors in your failed attempt to make a comeback. Hope the newspaper in your town proofreads. Maybe you should try some online courses to help with your literacy issues.
:)
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry, \r\n\r\nP.S. Thanks for li Terry,
P.S. Thanks for little cutie-face… you must have thought about me all day!!!
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry, \r\n\r\nI will HARDLY loos Terry,
I will HARDLY loose any sleep over any useless information you have to say. You sound like a fat bored housewife with nothing better to do. Oh, and now you BELIEVE what Joran says about how drunk Natallee was???? Earlier, you said all he did was lie. So, which is it, Terry? What conclusions am I leaping to? I have not assumed anything. You are the one judging. I have only paid attention to the facts. You, however, let the whole case "wear on your nerves" and throw around "speculations" with your amateur detective skills. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol Who are you? and who cares? And, uh, if a drink container WAS found, I think we would have heard about it, and, my GOD, Beth Twitty sure would have brought it up. Have you even been paying attention to the case? You need to get your facts straight before running your mouth. Yes, dear, you do have a right to your opinions (as rediculous as they are), and I am sure your local Mayberry newspaper appreciates them in your boring editorials. Obviously, YOU need to get a life. P.S. Jesus loves you, and I WILL have a good night. You do the same. You are also a little "too interested" in Ashlee's panties. Hmmmm………. wonder what that's all about. Love and Peace.
Posted by jeannie
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
i dont believe the tapes will i dont believe the tapes will come into evidence as i feel as if they have been edited
cant understand how after being questioned for several weeks & nothing was said to hold the brothers for any involvement — but we are to believe that skeeters whom deepak didint know from adam will share all this so called information—i dont buy it
Posted by terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Leigh,\r\nWell I hope you feel Leigh,
Well I hope you feel better now that you made your comment. I never said I had priveleged information. I was just voicing my opinion which I have every right to do. I hope you do not lose any sleep over my statement. I think it was quite obvious how intoxicated she was. From all the reports that Joran made regarding her condition. How do you know that a drink container was never found? You talk as if you were there, it seems that there are 2 physics there that night,lol. Of course, I do not know any more, then the authorities, I never said I did.
From where I stand you are leaping to conclusions also. How can stating one's thoughts be dangerous to the case. I am just expressing the my rights to free speech. Have a good night.:lol:
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry Long time no hear. Terry Long time no hear. Glad to see your back on .Yeah I hope nothing was wrong health wise . Mine will be for the rest of my life where my lungs have been damaged . If you want get some up dates on the case .Go to scared monkeys . com . punch in natalee holloway. The deputy chief of police has taken an interest in the case. its about the tape that Jamie skeeters did with Deepak. Any way got to check the rest of my emails .Hope to hear from soon
Posted by Leigh
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry, \r\nIn response to your Terry,
In response to your statements above (quote: "But remember she was intoxicated to the point where she was beyond thinking clearly, also, her drinks were laced with a drug, which totally rendered her incapable of using good judgement. "
You seem to know exactly how intoxicated Natallee was, and that her drink was laced with drugs. That is amazing!!! Have you alerted the authorities about your facts? You are so psychic that I feel you could really help the case. You have the ability to know how clear her thinking was. P.S. Her body has never been found to do toxicology studies or blood alcohol levels, and as far as I know, a drink or container was never found that was used by Natallee that tested positive for any drugs. You talk like you were there that night. Did you do something with her? Or did you solve the case while sitting in your lazy-boy recliner? Don't get me wrong, I am a Holloway SUPPORTER. You are just no different than the people who swear the boys had nothing to do with it. You don't know any more than those people do, and you don't know any more than the authorities. You are just one more person jumping on the bandwagon who knows it all, which in MY OPINION is just as dangerous to the case.
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Mike,\r\nYes,I said that Joran Mike,
Yes,I said that Joran appeared to be a cocky, spoiled rich kid who always got his way. I spoke the truth. Which is my right to do.
As for Natallee, I feel that she did use poor judgement by going with Joran. But remember she was intoxicated to the point where she was beyond thinking clearly, also, her drinks were laced with a drug, which totally rendered her incapable of using good judgement. But that did not give Joran and the Kalpoe brothers the right to take advantage of her in the way they did.
In response to Marcel, he is right when he said people should be more aware when making trips to a foreign place.Yes, murders can and do happen any where. The times have changed drastically. No one is safe any longer, Crimes can and do happen even if you are in your house in the daylight. One has to be on their guard at all times.
Posted by Mike
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Marcel, you said something ab Marcel, you said something about making people more aware when making trips to a foreign place, you don't need to go that far, remember the series of murders a few years back in florida? You can die going on a trip to Los Angeles for that matter. What people need to do is be aware no matter the location
Posted by Mike
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Terry wrote: Joran appeared t Terry wrote:
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hello Don, I have not been on Hello Don, I have not been on lately, but it does not mean that I am no longer interested. I find I just get to upset with certain things that are being said in a negative manner toward Beth and the rest of her family and friends. So fo rmy peace of mind, I will take a different stance regarding the case." If people can not say something good, then they should say nothing at all". I only hope and pray that the truth comes out, that those involved with her disappeance will be dealt with, that Natallee will finally go home, and that closure will finally come to each family involved. With the help of God. Sorry to hear you are not feeling well. Please take care.
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hello Bryan,\r\nI read your me Hello Bryan,
I read your message to Don, let me say that it was nice to hear you acknowledging Don as you did. Bryan, the Natallee Holliway case has been on mind since day one. I have never seen one take such a long time to get investigated. Perhaps, it is
because the police of Aruba, do not experience much violence over there. To the average person, it looks as if the police are inept
on that end. Can you imagine after 6 months, the frustration that is growing every day, because it seems that it is going nowhere.
I sympathize with Beth, Dave, Jug and the rest of the family and friends. Every day they have hope that a lead may be found, to
get progress started to find her. So many different stories(lies on Joran's end are surfacing every day.)After a while, one's patience begins to wear thin. For Beth and the rest of the Holloway/Twitty families, the stress level is growing to a fever pitch. One remark
meant one way, is taken in a negative way. Now the stage is being set for fears, anger, and doubts from each person iinvolved.
Everyone is on the defensive, thinking ill thoughts of each other. For myself, I got so in to the case, that it began to wear on my nerves, I was glued to the television every evening. I prayed every day for Natalie, her family and friends and also for the Aruban families involved. I really felt that Paulus VanderSloot was involved to some point.(I still do.) Joran appeared to be a cocky, spoiled rich kid who always got his way( in fact I still do,) After reading you comment to Don, I know how much you have respect for your country. I certainly feel that way also about the USA. However, there are times, I am deeply frustrated about the way certain things are handled here in the states, the only thing, I can do is to write a editorial about it and send it to the daily newspaper. At least, I have voiced my opinion about the matter. In my thoughts lately, I realize that I must keep my negative thoughts to myself at this end. A ill wind blows no good. I only hope and pray that justice will be served for Natallee and her family and friends. Peace to all of you.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Bryan Good morning Bryan . Bryan Good morning Bryan . Hey that cold that cold drink on a nice warm beach sounds good . But I do not think it will happen . Yeah we got started on the wrong foot But that is all in the past . I see where this chief of police or whatever heis Dompig is taking an intrest in the case. He talking about bringing In deepak in to talk with and the other suspects when they they look at the tape from Jamie Skeeters . He said theywanted to make the sure the tape was real and did not have any gaps in it like the watergate tapes did . I quess I need to learn to relax and let the case run its course . Yeah my four years in the military I did not have a choice in the matter . I was drafted . My draft number was 3. I did 1 tour nam. And i appreacate what you said .
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Don, \r\n\r\nLet me first off sen Don,
Let me first off send my warmest appreciation to you. I have nothing but absolute respect for war veterans on those currently serving in the military. It is a brave person who can leave his life and family behind in order to go fight when his country calls. Also, sorry to hear about the medical situation.
Indeed, it has always been my purpose with these postings to defend my country and its citizens. I vehemently oppose a US boycott of Aruba. It simply is unjust, and a desperate and bitter move on part of Mrs. Twitty. I have yet to see ANY proof to back these accusations made against the Aruban authorities… Not from Mrs. Twitty, not from any media outlet, not from any web or blogsite. I therefore will stand and defend my country as long as these people keep slandering the island with unfair accusations. I hope that I've brought some light to those who perhaps have gone ahead an supported the boycott without really considering its implications and the basis it has been called on.
As for the three suspects… As I mentioned in my previous posting, I personally believe they are involved in some way or the other with the dissapearance of Natalee. I for one will not stick my hand in the fire to defend them on this. I do agree with Marcel though, as long as there is no evidence to proof their guilt, these boys are free to go about. I therefore defend them, not because I do not believe they are guilty, or because they are Aruban citizens (although none of the three was actually born in Aruba – a sad and ironic twist to the story), but because our justice system works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty. As much as we would want to sometimes, one cannot take justice into one's own hands, especially not when one committs injustice to a group of innocent people in order to get to those one believes to be guilty.
I have read some postings from some with concerns about their safety and well-being when travelling to Aruba. I would say to these people to consider that until this case, in decades of Aruba's tourism industry, there was never a case of such grave consequences. Aruba has always treasured its visitors, and is a gracious and good-hearted host. To those who have concerns about the Aruban government ability to provide assistance to them in such situation, I would say that the Aruban government has always focused on Aruba's tourism, and has been dedicated to making its visitors' experience a stress-free and pleasant one. This case has been tough on not only the Holloway-Twitty family and the US, but it has also taken its toll on the Aruban community. As Arubans, we take pride in our island's gracious culture, and this has simply been a nightmare to all. The Aruban community wants this case solved just as much as everyone else does.
In closing Don, I hope that this discussion has served in bringing us closer on the issue than when we first started. I for one have come to understand some of the frustrations and anger that Americans feel with this case, and I hope that I have been able to explain some of the concerns that Arubans have with the developments surrounding this case. I sincerely hope that this case will soon be solved, so that everyone involved can have some sort of closure. And hopefully Don, one day we can talk about other stuff… perhaps sitting on the beach in Aruba sipping on a tropical drink.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I don't know if these kids ar I don't know if these kids are directly involved in the disappearance or not, I just know there is no solid evidence to indicate as such, at this time. Boycotting Aruba is not going to bring Natalee back, it will accomplish NADA and neither will following Joran around Holland. I feel badly for ms holloway/twitty as I'm sure she feels helpless (to say the least). I don't know what i would do in her shoes. Maybe she could bring awareness to safety issues for young adults in foreign countries. I am sure many parents will be more aware, and more precautions taken, the next time someone decides to plan a senior trip to a foreign place because of this case.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Scott- If you will re-read my Scott- If you will re-read my previous post, I agree that there is no evidence that a crime has been committed by Joran or the Kalpoe's with regards to Natalee's disappearance. There is no evidence that the Aruban government is corrupt (or less so than many areas of government in the good ole USA), or that any goverment official in Aruba has been "paid off". You would have to pay off a LOT of people to keep it out of the media. Someone can always provide a payoff higher than the other one anyway. Someone would have leaked if there was a cover up. These kids were held in custody in Aruba FAR longer than they would have been in the U.S.. You cannot hold people in the US for months without filing charges (you can't even hold them for a WEEK in most cases) and you have to have evidence to do so.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Bryan Well I see that you Bryan Well I see that you believe that they are guilty too . I thought you were backing them becuase they were from there. People don not remember but they were the same way in viet nam in which I fought in .The only tropical vaction I will be on is sunny california Because the goverment does pay that well in retirement pension Oh i get over $800 amonth by the time you pay bills and rent and foo its gone for the month. It might be frustration because All the major cases where girls went missing at the time that natalee disappeared have been solved . Even taylor beihl cased was solved and they have the guy in jail you they think done it . Hes not getting any time soon with 16 charges of child porn against him . I see where the proscuter office came out and said if they had a complaint against the office that they file the complaint inaruba .I think that they should have gone to the family first Well it is time to go get my daily morning rush . I have copd which is a slow form of cancer . Probally got from those smokes and nam that I endured
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Don,\r\n\r\nYou quote the bible s Don,
You quote the bible saying "why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?". How ironic, since it sounds to me like you're saying that the U.S. judicial system does not have any problems of its own. Aruba is not the one accusing anyone of anything… it's the U.S. media that is bringing forth all these unfound accusations. Newsflash to Don and the US media… Get off the pedestal, the world does not revolve around the U.S.
Are these three guys guilty? Probably! I personally believe they are, and it's quite obvious you do. But until there is hard evidence to proof that, they are free to go about. Until you can proof a crime was committed, you cannot get them convicted of any crime based on conflicting statements, no matter how accurate your theory may be.
You stated that I have rose colored glasses on, and think that my government or the Dutch government can do no wrong. That is absolutely false, I never said that. I think it was a mistake to let these guys go at the start of the case. But that is in the past, and we need to look forward now in order to try to solve this case.
I do defend my government of these false and ridiculous allegations that the US media and Beth have put together, accusing the Aruban government of covering up the case and being corrupt. There has simply been NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to proof this. The investigation is still ongoing, perhaps not at the pace you are Beth would like, but it's still ongoing.
The thing that aggravates myself and most Arubans the most is that the Aruban community has had sympathy for the Holloway-Twitty family, and has put in an immense amount of time and effort in attempting to help find Natalee. The Aruban community wants this case solved just as much as you do. Yet all we've gotten in return is a stab in the back from Beth, as she is suggesting that Americans boycott the island. Based on what I ask? How would boycotting the island help solve the case? You blame the Aruban government of a coverup, but they cannot do anything about the case. You blame them of being corrupt, but have yet to present any proof to back the accusations up. I must ask then, what colored glasses are you Don wearing that you see all this corruption going on?
Democracy is based on the concept of "trias politica"… executive, legislative, and judicial branches. If one branch interferes with the other, democracy itself is then at danger. Perhaps then there could be talk of corruption.
The fact of the matter is, this whole boycott campaign won't help get Natalee back. All it will do is unfortunately help increase the strain that has been developing within the relationship between the American, Aruban and Dutch communities. Yes perhaps, Aruba's economy will suffer, but there are plenty of other people around the world that go on vacation. Yes, perhaps to Americans it won't mean anything, as you have numerous other tropical vacation destinations to go spend your almighty dollar at. But as a country, you will be adding another group of countries to the growing list of strained international relations that you already have. And in the end, we all will lose and Beth Twitty will not get any further with getting her daughter's dissapearance solved.
I'm thankful that most Americans understand that this boycott is simply unfair and unjustified based on the dynamics of the case. To repeat a line from one of my previous postings, to punish the whole population of a country for the irresponsible acts of a few teenagers is simply asinine. One should not let frustration turn into unreasonable anger and retaliation. It is understandable to have sympathy for the family, but it is another thing to encourage anger. The US media should know better. To say that all Americans are bad and should be punished for the war being led by the US government in Iraq is wrong. You cannot blame and punish every American for the mistakes you believe their government made. Terrorists do that. The same dynamic applies for this case, on a smaller scale of course… You cannot blame and punish a population for mistakes you allege their government made. Certainly not when you don't have any proof to back your allegations up.
Posted by Nick Jenkins
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
All I am going to say is show All I am going to say is show me some type of evidence, not speculation because we all can assume what happened. Sure, she was a 4.0, soon to be college student with probably a real good head on her shoulders. But if she was that responsible we would not be having this discussion because she never would have put herself in that position. I hope answers come out and justice is served however it needs to be, but honestly what Is beth going to get out of Joran following him around in Holland. Show me evidence or leave him alone. How does anybody know what happened to her besides her. Everyone makes valid arguments but what are we defending………..our own theories.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
terry have not heard from you terry have not heard from you in a while .Thanks for the back up the other day . I have been having a go around with this guy bryan for the last week. You have heard in the bible You cant take care of the splinter in the other guys eye until you take care of the one in yours. well I think its not a splinter in bryans eye but a log . His goverment and the dutch goverment can not do any wrong. I think he needs to take off his rose colored glasses and look around him and see the real world. We have all these girls come up thismissing this summer and the cases are solved . It been four months and nothing
Posted by Down with Aruba
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Linda, Joran should have take Linda, Joran should have taken you out for a few drinks.
Let Aruba feel the power of the US>>> No money from us, and they don't exist.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Bryan You all have four month Bryan You all have four months to solve this case and you are no closer than when it started.It sounds like alot of feet dragging to me. All the information comes right from the mouths of the suspects . Like Deepak saying that all had sex with natalee and it was easy . Both deepak and Joran are now trying to blame natalee . that the is the old divide and conquer . Put the blame on the other person and try to act innocentWhen paulus coached the boys when they blamed the two security guards > they were at rhe the house discussing how to get their stories straight .Mr croes has his own boat.So bryan if you can say all this we need to get together And get your goverment to solve this case and maybe things will not get any worse
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Don & Terry,\r\n\r\nI agree w Don & Terry,
I agree with you both that there is much to be resolved concerning Joran's multiple versions of what happened that evening. Again, that is why this is an ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
You still have not answered my question: WHAT LIE HAS THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT/AUTHORITIES TOLD SO FAR? Until you can proof any of your allegations or provide proof of a lie, I would suggest you reconsider making such bold accusations.
Let's talk about facts, since you keep referring to this. I understand that the US media has portrayed P. vd Sloot as a puppeteer, instructing the Aruban authorities on what to do. This could not be further from the truth. If you are on the island Don, you would not have tunnel vision but you would know the dynamics behind this. FACT: First off, there is some strife between v. Straten and the current government. So to suggest a broad cover-up involving multiple entities is quite a stretch based on the current history of that relationship. As for P. vd. Sloot, he has no pull whatsoever on the police, and to allege that he has any pull on the current government is even more ridiculous. FACT: he was not even a judge, but simply a one in training, with no ties to the current government. FACT: Don, Paul did not have to "pull any strings" for Joran to be in a casino as a minor. Any minor is allowed in a casino as long as their accompanied by their parent. That means that you won't have to pull any strings to get you underaged son or daughter in a casino either. Now if that is right or wrong, that is up to each parent to decide. I'm guessing that the vd. Sloot's frequented this particular casino so often, that Joran became a regular there, and the security assumed that he was of age to be there.
FACT: Joran was not allowed to be visited by his father while in jail, so he could not have received any coaching during this period. FACT: Stephen Croes' worked on a boat, the Tattoo, but did not own the boat. And trust me, if the Tattoo was used to "get rid of Natalee's body", SOMEONE would've noticed, since the Tattoo is a huge party boat!
As for the fisherman's hut being broken into, can you point me to the source of that information? From what I know, the fishermen's huts are a bunch of open air huts lined up along parts of the beach west of the major hotel area. So "breaking into" these huts would not require much "effort", and I can hardly imagine anyone storing a large knife and nets in this location. But then again, that's simply my analysis as someone from Aruba who knows the area. Certainly someone running a site in the US who has never visited the island knows the facts better than I, or any of the Aruban police investigating the case do. Check your sources Don!
As I've stated before this is still an ongoing investigation. Nobody is off the hook yet. And Don, I'm not insinuating that mistakes have not been made, or that my government "can not do any wrong". What I am defending them against though are all these false, unfound, foolish allegations of conspiracy and cover-up. You speak of tunnel vision, but it seems to me that all of you who are sitting here in the US make these allegations, and calling for a boycott of an island without knowing the real dynamics of the case from the island's point of view, but instead believing everything you hear or read from US media sources/websites who themselves don't know the island much better… can you explain to me how this is not tunnel vision?
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Bryan.\r\nI read your comment t Bryan.
I read your comment to Don. So Joran is a liar, we already know that. He had a good teacher in his dad, Paulus. Paulus is in thick with the Aruban government, so much so that they allow the Van-der-sloots much leeway in whatever they want. From day 1 of Natallee's disappearance, there has been such a huge coverup in this investigation. You say that everyone is innocent till proven quilty. I would normally agree with you on this, but not in this instance. I happen to believe there is some good in everyone. But not in this matter. Joran does not know how to tell the truth if it hit right in the face. LIES, LIES, MORE LIES. Are the Aruban police and government so inept that they believe this kid? The more the lies come out,the more the world can see through Joran. THEN WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE ARUBAN POLICE AND GOVERNMENT HEADS. TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDFOLDS,CAN'T YOU SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE" JORAN STATED HE NEVER TOUCHED NATALLEE,:twisted: IN THE NEXT BREATH,HE DESCRIBES WHAT TYPE OF UNDERWEAR SHE IS WEARING,:???: ALSO DESCRIBES HER GENITALS IN DETAIL!!!! THIS IS NOT JOKE!!!!. JORAN IS MENTALLY ILL. A SICK PERVERT. YOU DID A GOOD JOB, MOM & DAD VAN DER SLOOT. JORAN WILL CRACK SOONER OR LATER. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. LASTLY, I BELIEVE THAT ON THE WHOLE, THE ARUBAN PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THE POLICE AND GOVERNMENT ON THE OTHER HAND ARE SADLY" BAD NEWS" THEY SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL"
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Bryan You are right .Joran ha Bryan You are right .Joran has told so many lies he does not what the truth is any more.Since he was underage at the time how could he in the casino and the bar where natalee was if paulus did not pull strings for him . you do not realize how much pull paulus Has with the aruban goverment . Especially the chief of police and the d.a. office .I think since you are in aruba you have tunnel vision thinking that your goverment can not do any wrong.The case has been bungled since the get go. They let the suspect to get coaching from paulus on how to get their stories straight and what to do with natalees body . Another person to look into is steven croes . the night natalee went missing The fishermens hut wh=ere broken into > large filleting knife with steel handle and a fish trap large enough to hold a body were stolen. He has a boat to take natalee body out to sea .And freddie the photgapher of the group the (pimps) Probally was involed also > he loved to take photos . Iwould do a search of his house because he video the whole thing. Oh by the bryan .There is many more sites on the internet to find out information than nancy grace!
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Don,\r\n\r\nI am from Aruba, but Don,
I am from Aruba, but I am not a Joran lover. However, I do believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Is Joran lying… Yes. He's so confused right now he doesn't even know what's coming out of his mouth. The fact of the matter is however that unfortunately you can't prosecute anyone based on a series of conflicting statements without any hard evidence. That goes for Aruban, US, or any judicial system around the world.
On the matter of facts… First off, you speak of underage girls, well Joran was underaged himself when Natalee dissapeared. So it's not like he was this predator out looking for underaged tourist girls. As for facts… Can you tell me ONE LIE the Aruban government has said so far? If I'm not mistaken, this is still an ongoing investigation. So I don't know where you're getting these Aruban authority lies from. Again, perhaps you're listening to Ms. Nancy Grace too much. Beth is the one who's making all these cover-up/corruption accusations, and so far she has presented no proof to back these allegations up. I understand that she's frustrated with the pace of the investigation, but to let this frustration spill into these grave and unfound accusations is simply asinine. And shame on the US news media outlets to simply take her word and run with the story before investigating these claims properly.
Finally, A Current Affair's report is hardly what I meant with listening to the other side of the story. How about allowing the Aruban authorities being accused of all these accusations by Beth to defend themselves, and explain what is going on? Dave Holloway has certainly done that, why can't anyone else?
Posted by jeannie
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
imsur the arubans are overjoy imsur the arubans are overjoyed to see beth lave—she has stated so much false information i cant believe some of the media dont check it out before they allow her to say some of the things she has stated
i dont know how she or anyone else can accuse the three men of—-kidnapping rape & murder unless i missed something nothing has been proven
what we have are statement that have not been signed or taped we dont know
any of that information because the aruban goverment dont reveal the statements
i feel so sorry for dave holloway i see more pain in his face then beth has ever shown
just because he isint in front of the camera {like the twittys} dont mean he cares less
he is trying hard to find natalee
instead of bashing the arubans he is working with them
the people in aruba have bent over backwards to help the families
Posted by Terry
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hello,\r\nI am just checking in Hello,
I am just checking in to see if anyone has written any thing new regarding Natallee Holloway. I happened to catch Heraldo Rivera, the other night. He had Beth Halloway on the show. For those that think that Beth and her family are not pursuing the disappearance of Natalee. The latest is they are indeed continuing with this case. Beth did not go into much detail regarding this
new developement, but she did say in a few weeks, more information will be mentioned. I for one do not blame Beth at all. This
immense coverup by the Aruban and Holland's finest police departments and the government(UGH!!) has not heard the last of Beth and her many family and friends. When a someone is missing and presumed to have been murdered by certain individuals
who think they are above the law in every aspect of their illegal activties, certainly should be found accountable for their crimes.
ARUBA HAS ALLOWED THESE PEOPLE AT FAULT TO AVOID THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED INVOLVING THE DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALLEE. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY ARE GOD!!!
I KNOW GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE,JURY,AND EXECUTIONER ON NATALLEE'S BELHALF. I SHALL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THE hOLLOWAY/TWIITY FAMILIES.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Hey bryan look at the facts . Hey bryan look at the facts . The four suspects are the last people seen with natalee. Natalee was old enough to be in the casino and the bar where as Joran was not . How was Joran joran able to do this(daddy) YOu must be ajoran lover or from aruba to make statements that you do . you want me to listen to the other side of story . Which lie is that .Between the suspects and the arubian goverment where do we start. If beth had the patiece . Lets see It has been four months and they no closer to finding her .Oh by the I do not only listen cnn. I am all over the internet getting information .I got one for you . On current affair Joran states that he has never dealt with underage girls > Go to the jvs blog .Look under Things are looking up .There you will find Joran in a chorus line Tell me me which girl is not underage . So when you tell somebody to get their facts straight You better have yours straight first Donkatzman
Posted by patti
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Deb, Linda and Jeff…. You t Deb, Linda and Jeff…. You three are the most disgusting individuals and I am ashamed to be living on the same planet as you. When the day comes that a tragedy strikes your family…a horrible death, illness or something sooooooo terrrible that it just truly ends your life as you know it (as miserable as it obviously is….) think of me writing you this note and the message I am telling you today…YOU ALL HAD It COMING! You deserve all of the horrible and tragic events that are coming your way and ya know what??? There isn't a damn person that has read your dispicable, heartless and evil comments that will not be in agreement that you all deserve it!!! Your days as you know it are numbered my friends. Karma is wicked and you truly are evil people that deserve nothing good in life. How pathetic! Rot in hell!!!
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Don,\r\n\r\nYou speak of the Arub Don,
You speak of the Aruban system as if you know it so well. Besides all the "facts" of corruption you've heard on CNN, what else do you have to proof these accusations? I have a suggestion for you, make an attempt to read about and learn another country's culture and judicial/governmental system before you resort to making such grave accusations against it.
As for "Beth working on bringing them here"… ah yes! what a great idea, let's just all bring all criminals to the US where they're bound to get what they deserve. It sounds like the US judicial system does not have flaws according to you. Newsflash… the world does not revolve around the U.S. Stop taking what you hear on CNN as fact, and start trying to listen to the other side of the story for a change. This whole media circus is starting to get out of hand.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but nothing Beth can do will make that happen. On the other hand, if she would have patience and work with the authorities instead of going on this all out Aruban/Dutch witch-hunt/boycott, she would have a better chance of getting what she is looking for… an ending to this case. The only thing she'll achieve with this negative agenda is to further alienate herself from the people who can actually help her solve her daughter's case.
Posted by scott malcolm
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
i think there is something de i think there is something definetly bigger going on People like { katie the complete moron}
are full of television soap opera delusion.Naturally everyone wants to blame someone for natalies dissapearance but the bottom line dave katie marcia etc etc .. is that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SAYING HE DRUGGED HER RAPED HER FORCED HER TO DO ANYTHING THERE IS NO PROOF SHES EVEN DEAD. DAVE WHO EVER YOU ARE WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING MY EMAIL IT WASNT EVER DIRECTED AT YOU, BASICALLY IF YOU HAD READ IT. I AGREE WITH YOU THERES NO EVIDENCE I WAS JUST GIVING MY OPINION THATS WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT. DUUUH.
I THINK WHAT GO GO HAD TO SAY WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CONVEY ALL ALONG
JORAN IS NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING ACCEPT LYING TO HIS DAD. BY THE WAY HIS DAD IS NOT GOD HES A TURNED DOWN JUDGE HE CANT INFLUENCE THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT . HE COUNSELLED HIS SON –BUT MY DAD WOULD GIVE ME ADVICE TOO JORAN WAS OUT HAVING FUN JUST LIKE NATALIE SHE WANTED TO BE WITH HIM IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT HE KILLED HER HE RAPED HER HE DRUGGED HER —WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS FROM . MABYE HE KNOWS MORE TO THE STORY MABYE THAT IS TRUE. KATIE WANTS ME TO APOLOGIZE TO HER BECAUSE IN HER MIND JORAN IS GUILTY KATIE GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Dear marcel How would you kno Dear marcel How would you know that the suspects would be free .The laws in the Usa are different Than inthe dutch system You do not have a corrupt system like the aruban goverment trying to sweep it under rug any excuse they can get, the main arubian procuter told Jug that she was looking for excuse to quit investagation the Case . That father is best buddies with the goverment .That he has paid them off So when You can show me your lawyers papers and tell me this I will be quiet . Beth is working on the foundation of bringing them here > where the trial will be more fair that she has recieved so far Don
Posted by Bryan
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I am an Aruban living in the I am an Aruban living in the U.S. who has grown tired of the mainstream U.S. media’s constant bashing of my country, its government and citizens. I have sympathy for Beth Twitty over the loss of her child. But I’m simply outraged at how she can suggest to boycott a whole country because she can’t get her daughter’s case solved? There are thousands of Aruban families who work hard to earn an honest living, and have nothing to do with the case. Why should they be punished for the irresponsible acts of a few teenagers? I’m afraid that Beth is letting her frustrations allow her to lose her reasoning. This negative add campaign against Aruba that she’s leading is going to cause permanent damage to the country’s economy… once the case is solved, is Beth going to go on another national media campaign and tell people it’s fine to go back to Aruba? Probably not.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
most people would do what Ms. most people would do what Ms. Twitty is/was doing. most don't begrudge her her closure/justice, some are just tired of seeing her and the case on TV 24/7. The large scale news coverage is not about whether or not Natalee's (the PERSON) disappearance is worthy of news coverage-it's about is it a good enough STORY to tantalize people, make money off of, etc.. Ms Twitty being in the public eye and on TV is not her doing for the most part. It's all about money and exploitation of a STORY for PROFIT. Hurricanes and Supreme Court nominations/confirmations have eclipsed Natalee, the war in Iraq & the Karl Rove scandal, etc-for NOW. Ms. Twitty and Natalee case will continue to be in the media to the degree that there is a story to milk out of this ($$$/ratings). If Ms. Twitty wants to keep her daughter's case at the forefront, she should continue doing things like following Joran or the Kalpoe's around. Creating stories.
To poster Don Katzman-you say bring them over to the USA for some justice. Sorry to tell you bud, but, if they had been in the USA, those kids would have been walking around free as birds, months ago-not locked up in a prison for weeks and months, with no charges being brought against them and interrogated for hours and days on end. Ms. Holloway got more from the Aruban government in this aspect, than she would have EVER recevied in teh USA. You can't hold people in jail without charges (and evidence to support them) in the USA for more than a few days (thank god). This was done in Aruba and these kids held up under weeks and months in jail,hours and hours of interrogation without any of them "cracking" or ratting out anyone. These are not hardened criminals, so, this leads me to believe that maybe there is nothing to tell (at least from these 3). Maybe Aruba did bungle the investigation. Maybe they bungled it by focusing on the wrong people (maybe on purpose?) from the get-go? I don't know what happened here, but, there is no evidence that there was a crime committed against Natalee, only that she disappeared. IMO they should have released these kids early on in the investigation-if they were involved, the would have slipped up much sooner,somehow eventually, (and may still do so, at some point in time).
Posted by Janie Hillin
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Deb, Linda and Jeff-YOU GET A Deb, Linda and Jeff-YOU GET A LIFE-you still have yours-oh and Jeff I had a brain overhaul in December when my only daughter and only grand daughter were killed in a senseless car accident-just because we live in Mt. Brook does not mean we are not human beings with feelings-my heart was shattered and my life turned upside down-so I guess I have been wondering for 9 months-how a 5 year old and a 23 yearold life could be cut so short-according to all the blogs-I can only assume it's because they were white and from Mt. Brook!
I have been researching blogs on Natalie and this is the only one I have responded to-I would love for just one of all the people who have bashed and bashed a girl who can't defend herself be in Beth's position for just one second-and hear hear to Renee-You my dear are so correct-IF MORE PARENTS-that is three big words-I agree if all parents were as persistent as Beth-there may be alot more missing children found.
And to Deb,Linda and Jeff-if you have children-God love them and be with them-because I have no doubt you want be there for them. Oh and send the big guy upstairs your resume's, you all three have so much experience judging others.
Mt.brook girl and proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Renee
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Every missing child should ha Every missing child should have this kind of media attention…Natalee wasn't found, but if parents were more agressive in their pursuit not so many criminals would get away with crimes against others. I'm sure Natalee's mom had reservations about letting her daughter go to Aruba due to her age, but Natalee was of age. My own daughter went to Florida after graduation and was raped. I did not want her to go, but other than tying her up and alienating her as a result I let her go…with some words of advice…which some were heeded and some were not. We were lucky…she did come back. Many young people do wild and foolish things and some pay dearly for it. Although I do not agree with all of Beth's tactics I have to admire her for her efforts. And yes, many investigations are botched…in the USA and all over the world. I don't believe Natalee ran away…she wouldn't have left all of her belongings behind. Something did happen to her and sadly her mother may never know what…and that type of thing eats away at your soul. I've been to Aruba and loved it. I feel the investigation was botched and that's upsetting, but I also know many, many people co-operated and tried to help solve this mystery and so the Aruban people who helped and others…I have my deepest admiration for you. So stop the mean comments…if you lost a child or loved one I would hope you would work as hard as this woman did to solve her childs disappearance.
Posted by don katzman
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Joran would not know how to t Joran would not know how to tell the truth because he has told so many of them .he deos not remember what the truth is .Covering for himself and the kalpoe brothers is a all day chore . this morning I was checking my E-mail. I was reading the gretawire from greta van sustern .I guess That Jug And the procuter got into a augerment > She told Jug that if he continued in his attuide they would quit investagation the case. That is nothing new . that is what they are wanting to do all along ! They are wanting to sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away !So i say again bring the four suspect over to the USA and let them have a little Of our Justice . And get them out of corrupt Dutch system where Joran father has pull!
Posted by Jeff
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I can understand Mrs. Twitty I can understand Mrs. Twitty wanting to find her daughter. But come on, who lets their kid fly to Aruba for God's sake right after high school and basically have a free for all in poncho and charlies of all places. Also come on now, these girls were not drinkning their milk or cookies at this bar nor did they to to have a bible study. THEY WERE THERE TO GET DRUNK AND PICK UP GUYS. PERIOD. Wake up and smell the coffee. I am personnally tired of seeing her on the TV all over the place. There comes a time when you just have to say let's get on with life and be done. STOP CHASING A RABBIE MS TWITTY. I hope you do not send anymore of your kids to out of country locations without some responsible chaperoens being around and I do not mean the ones, that will let these girls go into a drunken bar and tell them to. "Hey wake us up when you get home". Sounds like the whole Mountain Brook goodie too shoes involved need to have a brain overhaul.
Posted by Sandy
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I wish Beth could get the tru I wish Beth could get the truth. I feel aruba Authorities are fooling everyone and I believe all 3 of those boys are llying how many lies can be told about one short evening and how much can Mrs. Twitty tolerate. I feel she has been unjustly treated and if that all those countries lie so much who can we trust and why just because it is beautiful should we spent out tax dollars there. Where is our goverment they get enolved in everyone ele's bussiness why not this are other murders in these countries. Where is Bush and all the congress counting oil dollars. Sandy
Posted by Jin
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Has anyone thought of getting Has anyone thought of getting those 3 men court-ordered to be hypnotized? Under hypnosis, wouldn't they be forced to say ALL that they know? I know that sometimes it doesn't work…but sometimes it DOES.
Posted by lois beasley
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
beth i truly hope this case i beth i truly hope this case is solved, i was wondering if any of you have thought about using a psychic detective? i have never been into the psychic scene but i do watch alot of court t.v. and the psychics have helped solve alot of missing people cases, please consider this, it couldnt hurt and lord knows the aruban authorities are not coming up with anything. i wish you all well and good luck my thoughts are with you.
Posted by Hari Wallace
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I agree that Beth Twitty need I agree that Beth Twitty needs to move on with her life and that she alone has determined the facts in this case without regard for competent evidence. My heart, however, goes out to her as I would not want to walk in her shoes. The initial poster she put up troubles me very much. It is the won titled "Missing." The wording on it overwhelmingly supports the "Natalee ran away" theory. If this had never happened before with your child, you would not word a poster like that. Comments, anyone?
Posted by Deborah
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I agree totally with Linda. I agree totally with Linda. First of all who said that she was murdered? She may have just run off to get away from an overbearing mother. The father did. Natalee's friends practically said on Larry King that Natalee was drunk and partying the entire week. She may have passed out somewhere and someone took her and forced her into white slavery. Natalee is not as innocent as her mother thinks. You are right Linda, the mom knew that island was known for drugs sex and booze and she probably knew that her daughter would engage in them all. And I for one and glad she has left Aruba and I hope she is banned from returning. Twitty get a life.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Who says that anyone murdered Who says that anyone murdered doesn't derserve justice? I agree that most mothers would fight as Beth has to find her child. Aruba is very safe. That cominbed with some good common sense and basic safety precautions would suffice-as it does in most places. As I mentioned previously, you are as safe in Aruba as in most places in the USA. Maybe the Aruban govt dropped the ball on this investigation, but, don't believe they are witholding info or protecting anyone. Botched investigations happen in the USA all the time-The Peterson case is a perfect example of that. No witnesses, no crime scene, no murder weapon, no cause of death, no forensic or physical evidence tying the accused to the crime. I don't believe these kids killed and disposed of Natalee Holloway. and in the Peterson case, as well as this one, they focused too long on the wrong person while the real criminals continue on about their "business". The public will buy anything if it makes the FEEL safer-we don't like to think that law enforcement often makes mistakes or that they are often motivated by things (like massive media attention and pressure to "solve" cases, that don't necessarily drive appropriate behavior nor lends itself to meticulous, thorough, police work. Real evidence, solid detective work are not a requirement anymore-a mob of angry folks and a rope is where we're headed, it seems.
Posted by Marcia
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
You are so right, the most im You are so right, the most important fact here is that Natalee deserves it! She deserves so much more than she got. I pray the truth will come out very soon so the Holloway family can have peace. How can you say anyone murdered doesn't deserve justice? Any Mother who cares one iota about her child would fight just as Beth has to find her child. Just because the media has covered this case more than any other isn't her fault, she only wants the truth! Please allow her to do this!! Any American that goes to Aruba with all this still going on needs their heads examined. Thanks for the chance to air my opinion.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I will continually BRAG about I will continually BRAG about the incompetence of the Aruban Government,
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isn't this a misnomer? :razz:
joran will be in college in Holland so nobody will be murdered by him in Aruba. :roll:We all have a MUCH higher chance of being murdered in our own home town in the USA than in Aruba.
Posted by Deborah Seger
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I think it is a tragedy that I think it is a tragedy that murder can be done in Aruba. And if you are not registered on that Island. Your loved one will be murdered by Joran VanDersloot & the body will never be found. I think the Aruba Government is very ignorant, self centered people. And until Natalie is found I will continually brag about the incompetence of the Aruban Government, And if you insist on going there with your daughter, you deserve what you get.
Posted by Crystal Gaj
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Linda I thonk that is an awfu Linda I thonk that is an awful way to think , are you yourself not judging? Are you that lost an dbitter that you would say such hurtful , nasty things? Shame on you
Posted by Bob
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
I am so tired of hearing abou I am so tired of hearing about Natalee Holloway…… I feel sorry for her mother but what does Ms. Twitty think that her daughter is the only missing person in the world or even the USA. I think that she needs to accept the fact that Natalee is not coming home and let that poor child rest in peace albeit without a body. She thinks that just because she is an American that she can impose her will on the government of Aruba. I am sure that the government of Aruba is finally glad to get rid of her. What the Aruban Government should do is bar Ms. Twitty from entering their country once and for all.
MS. TWITTY: GET A LIFE YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY MOTHER WHO HAS LOST A CHILD.
Furthermore, the reason that there was so much publicity with this case was that the media and Ms. Twitty made it seem like this is the only "white" person to ever disappear or be "allegedly" murdered.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Marcia- are you the expert on Marcia- are you the expert on who is a mother, who is not, and how they should behave? Wishing that someone burn in hell for not agreeing with the actions of another? Have you considered anger management therapy? Nobody begrudges Beth Twitty her closure-but not at the expense of justice process for everyone else. She is not judge nor jury-and there is a very good reason why. Was Ms. Twitty negligent in allowing Natalee, to travel, chaperoned, to Aruba? No, IMO. Aruba's crime rate is VERY low, Natalee is of legal age, and was travelling with friends and was chaperoned. Statistically Aruba is a very safe place-safer than many major cities in the U.S.. If Ms. Holloway herself had chaperoned, there is no guarantees that this would not have ended exactly the same way.
Thankfully there has to be certain levels of proof and evidence to charge people with crimes. At this time, in this case, there appears to be insufficient proof and evidence.
Posted by Marcel
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Who says the Joran admitted t Who says the Joran admitted to "sexually assualting" Natalee? Rumor. Not substantiated by sworn testimony, recorded interviews of any kind. WHo's to say that Natalee didn't want to be with Joran (especially based on her behavior prior to leaving the club)? and if she did, there's nothing shameful or unsual about that.
Twitty has all the proof SHE needs. Good for her. But she is not the legal system. What substantiated proof exactly is it that she has?
I AM a mother, and I understand (as much as I can) the agony and pain she must be going through. But skirting the system of justice on a hunch of Hollway/Twitty is INSANITY. The answer to her pain and grief is not to arrest and charge 3 people when there is far from susfficient evidence to to so. That is justice for nobody. They have no proof against these kids that will hold up in a court of law-not even enough to charge them with a lesser crime. If they are guilty of hurting Natalee it is a shame that there is nothing to hold them on at this time, but thankfully you don't hold people in jail on a hunch for days on end-and we all know that. If that were the case, we should all be very scared.
Posted by Marcia
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Linda,\r\n Why wouldn't Linda,
Why wouldn't a mother trust her 18 y/o daughter who earned straight A's and a free ride to a college with a graduation trip as a reward for her hard work? You are totally excusing the fact that she is the victim here and shouldn't be blamed and judged for the crime committed against her! You must not be a mother or maybe you are just ignorant! Twitty had all the proof that she needs to know that Joran is guilty….he admitted that he sexually assaulted her the first night Beth arrived on the island.
Going to an island "known for booze, sex and drugs" as you put it, does not make someone a deserving victim. You talk about how Twitty "bad mouth someone without proof and have them tried and convicted"…what you are doing is worse, you are bad mouthing a VICTIM and her family! YOU'RE IGNORANT and I hope you rot in hell for judging this woman for doing what any good, caring parent would, try to find answers in her daughter's disappearance, bring her home, find closure so she can heal and get on with her life!
Posted by Bernie
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Has anyone looked into the po Has anyone looked into the possibility that one or more of the defendants were deeply in debt due to casino gambling, and exchanged NH for cash or for the forgivness of a debt? I don't think the three are dumb enough to intentionally commit murder and then not come forward with viable evidence.
Good Luck
Bernie H.
Posted by Linda
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
Godd riddance…Twitty thinks Godd riddance…Twitty thinks she can just bad mouth someone without proof and have them tried and convicted. She should have though better of sending her spoiled brat for a teen week at an island known for booze, sex, and drugs. Nice going Mom!
Posted by roma
December 3, 2006 @ 02:06
:sad:\r\n\r\nhi someone said in a :sad:
hi someone said in an earlier message that the family should get a psychic
i m not a psychic but i have the abitlity to find water in the soil and lost objects, and i had this strong feeling that i could help them.
i called natallee s step father and the FBI, i m sure they have thousands of these calls, they were quite unfriendly and never called me back or showed interest.
too bad.